Global Warming Deniers

This morning I saw a video on YouTube from potholer54:

I thought it was an excellent video, so I tweeted a link to it.

Not long afterward, I received a reply. “Poor video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg #climategate /via @oneoveralpha // this is anti-climategate pro warming cruft from @juliancain.

I replied: @juliancain Talk is cheap. Disprove his arguments. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg #climategate

This continued: @juliancain Talk is cheap. Disprove his arguments. #climategate /via @oneoveralpha // it’s in the code I am a programmer, complete fraud

@juliancain What’s “in the code?” Just saying “complete fraud” does not disprove anything. #climategate

juliancain @oneoveralpha What’s “in the code?”. #climategate // data padding to make up for lack thereof, /* comments */ as well, code can’t lie

@juliancain What padded data? I was just talking about a video. What, in the video was padded? http://bit.ly/7JYk1Z

juliancain “What, in the video was padded?” /via @oneoveralpha // The video attempts to lie about climategate. We aren’t buying your algore fraud.

@juliancain Your options: show factual errors in the video or continue blathering. Note, the first option is actually science.

About this point, Elizabeth1776 commented: @juliancain I think @oneoveralpha is a science fiction writer. They were correct in that I write science fiction, for which I thanked her. However, Elizabeth1776 is one of those people who think “Obama=Hitler.” She is entitled to her opinion, but as far as I’m concerned, she is in the same group as people who think the moon is made of cheese.

Anyway, after THREE requests to give factual errors in the video I linked to above, juliancain gave AN answer: juliancain show factual errors /via @oneoveralpha // video doesn’t display the email in question IS related to tree rings. It gives you your opinion.

That’s it? Admittedly, I haven’t looked at the emails in question, so I don’t have a transcript to see where all the quotes came from. But that’s it? Can’t we just say that it is juliancain’s opinion that the email isn’t related to tree rings? What proof is there that potholer54 made a misleading video?

juliancain, you are doing the Global Warming Deniers a disservice. I am looking for facts, and information, and you haven’t provided any. You are doing EXACTLY what you claim the “Global Warming Alarmists” are doing, namely, “blather blather blather trust us we have data blather blather blather.”

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2 Responses to “Global Warming Deniers”

  1. “Climategate” started out when there appeared on the Internet a collection of e-mails of a group of climatologists who work in the University of East Anglia in England. These documents reveal that some climatologists of international preeminence have manipulated the data of their investigations and have strongly tried to discredit climatologists who are not convinced that the increasing quantities of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere are the cause of global warming.

    It is true that a majority of the scientists who study climatic tendencies in our atmosphere have arrived at the conclusion that the world’s climate is changing, and they have convinced a group of politicians, some of whom are politically powerful, of the truth of their conclusions.

    A minority, however, is skeptical. Some believe that recent data that suggest that the average temperature of the atmosphere is going up can be explained by natural variations in solar radiation and that global warming is a temporary phenomenon. Others believe that the historical evidence indicating that the temperature of the atmosphere is going up at a dangerous rate is simply not reliable.

    Such lacks of agreement are common in the sciences. They are reduced and eventually eliminated with the accumulation of new evidence and of more refined theories or even by completely new ones. Such debates can persist for a period of decades. Academics often throw invective at one another in these debates. But typically this does not mean much.

    But the case of climate change is different. If the evidence indicates that global warming is progressive, is caused principally by our industrial processes, and will probably cause disastrous changes in our atmosphere before the end of the twenty-first century, then we do not have the time to verify precisely if this evidence is reliable. Such a process would be a question of many years of new investigations. And if the alarmist climatologists are right, such a delay would be tragic for all humanity.

    The difficulty is that economic and climatologic systems are very complicated. They are not like celestial mechanics, which involves only the interaction of gravity and centrifugal force, and efforts to construct computerized models to describe these complicated systems simply cannot include all the factors that are influential in the evolution of these complicated systems.

    All this does not necessarily indicate that the alarmist climatologists are not right. But it really means that if global warming is occurring, we cannot know exactly what will be the average temperature of our atmosphere in the year 2100 and what will be the average sea level of the world’s ocean in that year.

    It also means that we cannot be confident that efforts by the industrialized countries to reduce the amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere will have a significant influence on the evolution of the world’s climate.

    Alas, the reduction of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere would be very costly and would greatly change the lives of all the inhabitants of our planet–with the possibility (perhaps even the probability!) that all these efforts will be completely useless.

    Harleigh Kyson Jr.

  2. Are you suggesting we just do nothing and hope everything works out? If Global Warming happens, how many trillions will be lost when coastal cities flood and how many will die when food production is disrupted by changing weather patterns? Arguing it will be costly doesn’t change anything. It will be costly NO MATTER WHAT we do.

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